ที่สำคัญ สามารถทำเป็นเเจ็ค บาลานซ์ใด้ด้วยครับ เเต่จะเป็นแบบ 3.5 สองหัว (เสียบเข้าช่องหูฟัง และ line out พร้อมกัน ซึ่งจะให้ power output ที่เเรงมากๆทีเดียวครับ)
ที่สำคัญ สามารถทำเป็นเเจ็ค บาลานซ์ใด้ด้วยครับ เเต่จะเป็นแบบ 3.5 สองหัว (เสียบเข้าช่องหูฟัง และ line out พร้อมกัน ซึ่งจะให้ power output ที่เเรงมากๆทีเดียวครับ)
สรุป "For a portable player it is wrong: you cannot put it into your trousers for on the go." พกลำบาก
"The Pono Player is a quite good piece of hardware which does its job: the sound quality levels rockboxed devices like the iPod. But to be something special, sorry Neil, it’s not enough." เป็นของดีแต่ไม่ได้มีอะไรพิเศษ
"I really would love to read about a duel of the Pono with any Astell & Kern player. My guess is the Pono won’t have a chance as it did not win against the Tera-Player." สงสัยจะสุ้ ak ไม่ได้ เพราะสู้ Altmann Tera-Player ไม่ได้เหมือนกัน (Altmann Tera-Player หน้าตาประหลาดมาก)
"For 399$ you won’t get something to challenge your top audio gear" ในราคาระดับนี้ หาตัวอื่นมาเทียบยาก
"If you do own and love a Grado headphone, give the Pono a try. The RS2 and the Pono is such a great combination" เหมาะกับ grado
สรุป "For a portable player it is wrong: you cannot put it into your trousers for on the go." พกลำบาก
"The Pono Player is a quite good piece of hardware which does its job: the sound quality levels rockboxed devices like the iPod. But to be something special, sorry Neil, it’s not enough." เป็นของดีแต่ไม่ได้มีอะไรพิเศษ
"I really would love to read about a duel of the Pono with any Astell & Kern player. My guess is the Pono won’t have a chance as it did not win against the Tera-Player." สงสัยจะสุ้ ak ไม่ได้ เพราะสู้ Altmann Tera-Player ไม่ได้เหมือนกัน (Altmann Tera-Player หน้าตาประหลาดมาก)
"For 399$ you won’t get something to challenge your top audio gear" ในราคาระดับนี้ หาตัวอื่นมาเทียบยาก
"If you do own and love a Grado headphone, give the Pono a try. The RS2 and the Pono is such a great combination" เหมาะกับ grado
Output 3.5 สองอัน อันนึงของหูฟัง อีกอัน line out ถ้าต่อ Balanced mode ก็เข้าเมนูไปเปิดก่อน แล้วก็ต่อ L เข้าช่องหูฟัง แล้วก็ R เข้าช่อง line out, line out level ปรับได้ครับ
Output หูฟังแรงขับดีประมาณนึง On-earทั่วไป, momentum, 1R, Z7 อะไรประมาณนี้ต่อตรงไม่ขี้เหร่ แต่ถ้าใหญ่กว่านั้นต่อ line out เข้า amp ดีกว่าครับ IEM,CIEM ไม่มีปัญหาหายห่วงครับ
Output 3.5 สองอัน อันนึงของหูฟัง อีกอัน line out ถ้าต่อ Balanced mode ก็เข้าเมนูไปเปิดก่อน แล้วก็ต่อ L เข้าช่องหูฟัง แล้วก็ R เข้าช่อง line out, line out level ปรับได้ครับ
Output หูฟังแรงขับดีประมาณนึง On-earทั่วไป, momentum, 1R, Z7 อะไรประมาณนี้ต่อตรงไม่ขี้เหร่ แต่ถ้าใหญ่กว่านั้นต่อ line out เข้า amp ดีกว่าครับ IEM,CIEM ไม่มีปัญหาหายห่วงครับ
ตัว limited มากะกล่องไม้แบบนั้นแหละครับ ใต้กระดาษด้านซ้ายจะมี ที่ชาร์จ สาย USB แล้วก็ SD 64GB ที่ใส่เพลงตามนักร้องที่เราเลือก Signature มาสอง Albums ครับ เป็น 24/44.1-24/192 แล้วแต่ที่ต้นสังกัดจะมีมั้งครับ แล้วใน mem ของเครื่องจะมีเพลงชื่อ There's world ของปู่นีลมาให้เพลงนึงทุกเครื่องครับ
คิดว่ารุ่นธรรมดาคงไม่ได้กล่องไม้อ่ะครับ
ตัว limited มากะกล่องไม้แบบนั้นแหละครับ ใต้กระดาษด้านซ้ายจะมี ที่ชาร์จ สาย USB แล้วก็ SD 64GB ที่ใส่เพลงตามนักร้องที่เราเลือก Signature มาสอง Albums ครับ เป็น 24/44.1-24/192 แล้วแต่ที่ต้นสังกัดจะมีมั้งครับ แล้วใน mem ของเครื่องจะมีเพลงชื่อ There's world ของปู่นีลมาให้เพลงนึงทุกเครื่องครับ
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โออ เพิ่งเห็นรูปหลังจากโพสไปแล้ว
แต่ไม่รู้ว่าอันนั้นเพราะเป็น backers รึเปล่านะครับ เพราะ Backers เองก็มีคนที่ไม่ได้สั่ง Signature series แต่สั่งตัวรุ่นธรรมดาเหมือนกัน
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stocamadas
18/01/2015 15:54:36
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คิดยังง้ายทำเป็นสามเหลี่ยม น่าจะพกพายากอ่ะ
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18/01/2015 22:55:28
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เดี๋ยวมารอลุ้นฟังกันนะครับ 555 สาเหตุที่ทำเป็นสามเหลี่ยมก็น่าจะมาจาก C 2 ตัวที่ยัดใส่ลงไปในแนวตั้งครับ และสังเกตุให้ดีๆๆ แบตเตอรี่ไม่สามารถวางเบียดลงไปได้ เลยต้องทำเป็นจั่วสามเหลี่ยมให้มันเบียดได้ทั้ง C และแบตเตอรี่จ้าๆๆๆ
เดี๋ยวมารอลุ้นฟังกันนะครับ 555 สาเหตุที่ทำเป็นสามเหลี่ยมก็น่าจะมาจาก C 2 ตัวที่ยัดใส่ลงไปในแนวตั้งครับ และสังเกตุให้ดีๆๆ แบตเตอรี่ไม่สามารถวางเบียดลงไปได้ เลยต้องทำเป็นจั่วสามเหลี่ยมให้มันเบียดได้ทั้ง C และแบตเตอรี่จ้าๆๆๆ
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19/01/2015 10:14:06
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ได้มาแล้ว น่าทำสติกเกอร์ลาย toblerone ปะทับนะ
ได้มาแล้ว น่าทำสติกเกอร์ลาย toblerone ปะทับนะ
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capocino
20/01/2015 22:04:37
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หลุยส์ munkonggadget
20/01/2015 22:29:35
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เดี๋ยวถ้ามีความคืบหน้าจะรีบทยอยเเจ้งเป็นระยะๆเลยครับ งาน CES ครั้งล่าสุดนั้นบู้ท PONO ของปู่ Neil Young นั้นคนล้นหลามมากๆครับ ถือว่าเป็นอีกบุ้ทที่ฮ็อตอันดับต้นๆของงานเลยครับ
เดี๋ยวถ้ามีความคืบหน้าจะรีบทยอยเเจ้งเป็นระยะๆเลยครับ งาน CES ครั้งล่าสุดนั้นบู้ท PONO ของปู่ Neil Young นั้นคนล้นหลามมากๆครับ ถือว่าเป็นอีกบุ้ทที่ฮ็อตอันดับต้นๆของงานเลยครับ
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25/01/2015 09:16:19
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up and wait for it
up and wait for it
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หลุยส์ munkonggadget
25/01/2015 15:35:34
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ตอนนี้เพิ่งหมดงาน CES ไป อีกซักพักน่าจะมีความคืบหน้าเพิ่มเติมล่ะครับ
ตอนนี้เพิ่งหมดงาน CES ไป อีกซักพักน่าจะมีความคืบหน้าเพิ่มเติมล่ะครับ
The Sound of Pono One of the things the Pono Player gets so right, and it's something I noticed right away, is tone. Everything just sounds right, natural, and real. There's also a very nice solidity to the sound image which is, through my main system, laid out in a very broad and deep space. Overall, music sounds just right which led to many hours of pure listening enjoyment.
The Pono Player was also not at all embarrassed by comparisons to much more costly separates. While it does not offer as much sparkle and ultimate resolution as the Auralic Vega, I was not bothered by this difference when listening to the Pono Player. Let's also keep in mind that the Vega was connected to my MacBook Pro as server which in turn was connected to a Synology NAS as storage, a combination of components costing thousands of dollars. Of course my Synology NAS has oodles more storage capacity as compared to the Pono Player, and it, as can the MacBook, perform lots of other duties. But for simply playing music, which is what we're here to talk about, the Pono Player proved itself to be very adept at getting the important stuff right.
The majority of my listening time with the Pono Player through my main system, which includes the Pass INT-30A and the DeVore Fidelity The Nines, was spent listening in balanced mode using a pair of specially terminated Cardas Parsec interconnect cables ($360/1m). While this may seem like a strange pairing given their relative cost, I found balanced mode to sound much smoother, richer, and more natural as compared to running single-ended. According to Cardas, "any Cardas interconnects can be terminated as balanced Pono interconnects but the most popular is Microtwin 1m pair $225, and Parsec 1m pair $360." While I did not try any of the others, all's I can say is the Parsec cable from Cardas paired to Pono delivered some very natural sound and if you intend to connect your Pono Player to a revealing Hi-Fi, an investment in cables makes perfect sense. In my opinion of course. If you get rankled by the notion of cables making a difference, feel free to use whatever you like, and there are certainly inexpensive 1/8" TRSS to male XLR cables out there.
I listened to all manner of music through the Pono Player including some old high res favorites including Jimmy Scott's All The Way, Bruce Springsteen's Born To Run, and more, as well as some new favorites including D'Angelo's Black Messiah and Caribou's Our Love along with some acoustic music, some classical, and some more. The two albums that were included with my player from Patti Smith, Horses and Banga, both in 16/44.1, sounded just lovely as well. The Player really does deliver a goodly amount of the musical message and familiar voices sound refreshingly familiar and nicely present.
Of course the main use for the Pono Player will be as a portable headphone device so I leashed the NAD Viso HP50s to the Player and took the combo for a spin. I was greeted and treated with a nice, big, fat sound. Meaty. That same natural sense, that same easy to listen to and easy to like presentation that I heard through the Hi-Fi made for an enjoyable time. I also had an opportunity, at CES 2015, to compare the Pono Player in balanced and single-ended mode with a pair of Sennheiser HD650s and balanced mode simply crushed single-ended. There was just more of everything you'd want including tone color, weight, scale, and vibrancy. As with running your Pono Player into your hi-fi, if you want to hear it at its best, run balanced.
Compared to my iPhone 5S, the Pono Player delivers music while the iPhone delivers a reasonable facsimile thereof. Missing with the iPhone is the wonderful tone, the resolution or ability to hear into the recording, and that natural sounding presentation. Instead, you get a thinner, flatter, more anemic sound. The result being a less engaging experience, the ultimate sound quality of the output is limited by the iPhone's innards.
I also happen to have the Sony NW-ZX2 Walkman here and this made for a more interesting A/B. The Sony retails for $1200 and it can do some very cool things like connect to your Wi-Fi network and access music from your network including NAS-based libraries. It is also much sturdier in terms of build quality as compared to the Pono Player and its relatively flat form factor is much more pocket friendly. Purely on a sound quality basis, the Sony is more concerned with detail and dynamic snap, the Pono Player sounds richer and more full-bodied in comparison. I can certainly see someone preferring the Sony's more resolute sound but to my ears the Pono Player is more fun, more fulfilling.
I reviewed the Astel & Kern AK240 for Stereophile (see review) and this $2500 chunk of luxurious goodness clearly outweighs the Pono Player in terms of design and build quality. It ought to. While a direct comparison was not possible, I sent the A&K player back months ago, I will say that the Pono Player is not obviously outclassed by the more expensive player sonically. The AK240, like the Sony player, offers the ability to play music from your network-attached storage which may or may not be of importance to you.
The Sound of Pono One of the things the Pono Player gets so right, and it's something I noticed right away, is tone. Everything just sounds right, natural, and real. There's also a very nice solidity to the sound image which is, through my main system, laid out in a very broad and deep space. Overall, music sounds just right which led to many hours of pure listening enjoyment.
The Pono Player was also not at all embarrassed by comparisons to much more costly separates. While it does not offer as much sparkle and ultimate resolution as the Auralic Vega, I was not bothered by this difference when listening to the Pono Player. Let's also keep in mind that the Vega was connected to my MacBook Pro as server which in turn was connected to a Synology NAS as storage, a combination of components costing thousands of dollars. Of course my Synology NAS has oodles more storage capacity as compared to the Pono Player, and it, as can the MacBook, perform lots of other duties. But for simply playing music, which is what we're here to talk about, the Pono Player proved itself to be very adept at getting the important stuff right.
The majority of my listening time with the Pono Player through my main system, which includes the Pass INT-30A and the DeVore Fidelity The Nines, was spent listening in balanced mode using a pair of specially terminated Cardas Parsec interconnect cables ($360/1m). While this may seem like a strange pairing given their relative cost, I found balanced mode to sound much smoother, richer, and more natural as compared to running single-ended. According to Cardas, "any Cardas interconnects can be terminated as balanced Pono interconnects but the most popular is Microtwin 1m pair $225, and Parsec 1m pair $360." While I did not try any of the others, all's I can say is the Parsec cable from Cardas paired to Pono delivered some very natural sound and if you intend to connect your Pono Player to a revealing Hi-Fi, an investment in cables makes perfect sense. In my opinion of course. If you get rankled by the notion of cables making a difference, feel free to use whatever you like, and there are certainly inexpensive 1/8" TRSS to male XLR cables out there.
I listened to all manner of music through the Pono Player including some old high res favorites including Jimmy Scott's All The Way, Bruce Springsteen's Born To Run, and more, as well as some new favorites including D'Angelo's Black Messiah and Caribou's Our Love along with some acoustic music, some classical, and some more. The two albums that were included with my player from Patti Smith, Horses and Banga, both in 16/44.1, sounded just lovely as well. The Player really does deliver a goodly amount of the musical message and familiar voices sound refreshingly familiar and nicely present.
Of course the main use for the Pono Player will be as a portable headphone device so I leashed the NAD Viso HP50s to the Player and took the combo for a spin. I was greeted and treated with a nice, big, fat sound. Meaty. That same natural sense, that same easy to listen to and easy to like presentation that I heard through the Hi-Fi made for an enjoyable time. I also had an opportunity, at CES 2015, to compare the Pono Player in balanced and single-ended mode with a pair of Sennheiser HD650s and balanced mode simply crushed single-ended. There was just more of everything you'd want including tone color, weight, scale, and vibrancy. As with running your Pono Player into your hi-fi, if you want to hear it at its best, run balanced.
Compared to my iPhone 5S, the Pono Player delivers music while the iPhone delivers a reasonable facsimile thereof. Missing with the iPhone is the wonderful tone, the resolution or ability to hear into the recording, and that natural sounding presentation. Instead, you get a thinner, flatter, more anemic sound. The result being a less engaging experience, the ultimate sound quality of the output is limited by the iPhone's innards.
I also happen to have the Sony NW-ZX2 Walkman here and this made for a more interesting A/B. The Sony retails for $1200 and it can do some very cool things like connect to your Wi-Fi network and access music from your network including NAS-based libraries. It is also much sturdier in terms of build quality as compared to the Pono Player and its relatively flat form factor is much more pocket friendly. Purely on a sound quality basis, the Sony is more concerned with detail and dynamic snap, the Pono Player sounds richer and more full-bodied in comparison. I can certainly see someone preferring the Sony's more resolute sound but to my ears the Pono Player is more fun, more fulfilling.
I reviewed the Astel & Kern AK240 for Stereophile (see review) and this $2500 chunk of luxurious goodness clearly outweighs the Pono Player in terms of design and build quality. It ought to. While a direct comparison was not possible, I sent the A&K player back months ago, I will say that the Pono Player is not obviously outclassed by the more expensive player sonically. The AK240, like the Sony player, offers the ability to play music from your network-attached storage which may or may not be of importance to you.
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TMY168
02/02/2015 15:45:37
3
Pono'd Is Pono perfect? What is? From a hardware and sound quality perspective, especially when run in balanced mode with your hi-fi or headphones, the Pono Player is to my ears a huge success that belies its $399 asking price. Ayre has done their part of the job exceedingly well and with the recent announcement that the Player will also support DSD, the cherry is now firmly on top. That said, on the software/app level, the Pono ecosystem needs some work. Thankfully such problems can be taken care of with future updates but we'll just have to wait and see how well Pono deals with these over time. When I began this review, the PonoWorld app was still in Beta which is no longer the case. Most of my time was spent using the production version which is reportedly much better than the Beta version.
Another gripe that's circulating in the hi-fi world, is the current lack of high res music available from the Pono Store and the fact that a lot of their selections are CD-quality, like my two Patti Smith albums that came with my Player. My take on this is give them some time. Rome, and HDtracks, Qobuz, etc., weren't built in a day. Since you can play any high res file on the Pono Player from any source including HDtracks, I don't see what all the fuss is about. Also keep in mind Pono has stated that they are constantly looking for the best available version and if they uncover a higher res version of something that's already in the Pono music store and you already purchased, they will provide a free upgrade for all Kickstarter backers who have a PonoPlayer. The company is also looking into a possible paid upgrade option for non-Kickstarter backers but no word yet on when/if this will happen.
Would I buy, or recommend, the Pono Player knowing what I now know? Yup. If you are looking for a portable high res player that can do double duty in your hi-fi and deliver a very musical signal, especially when run in balanced mode, then absolutely consider the Pono Player. For $399, it strikes me as a steal of a deal. If, on the other hand, you are looking to buy into a complete ecosystem that makes the transition from hardware to software to music download store a seamless and relatively brainless operation, I'd say it's worth growing with Pono as they iron out their issues. Otherwise the only company I know of that has really pulled off this triple-threat treat is Apple but they left out the sound quality piece that Pono delivers.
Pono'd Is Pono perfect? What is? From a hardware and sound quality perspective, especially when run in balanced mode with your hi-fi or headphones, the Pono Player is to my ears a huge success that belies its $399 asking price. Ayre has done their part of the job exceedingly well and with the recent announcement that the Player will also support DSD, the cherry is now firmly on top. That said, on the software/app level, the Pono ecosystem needs some work. Thankfully such problems can be taken care of with future updates but we'll just have to wait and see how well Pono deals with these over time. When I began this review, the PonoWorld app was still in Beta which is no longer the case. Most of my time was spent using the production version which is reportedly much better than the Beta version.
Another gripe that's circulating in the hi-fi world, is the current lack of high res music available from the Pono Store and the fact that a lot of their selections are CD-quality, like my two Patti Smith albums that came with my Player. My take on this is give them some time. Rome, and HDtracks, Qobuz, etc., weren't built in a day. Since you can play any high res file on the Pono Player from any source including HDtracks, I don't see what all the fuss is about. Also keep in mind Pono has stated that they are constantly looking for the best available version and if they uncover a higher res version of something that's already in the Pono music store and you already purchased, they will provide a free upgrade for all Kickstarter backers who have a PonoPlayer. The company is also looking into a possible paid upgrade option for non-Kickstarter backers but no word yet on when/if this will happen.
Would I buy, or recommend, the Pono Player knowing what I now know? Yup. If you are looking for a portable high res player that can do double duty in your hi-fi and deliver a very musical signal, especially when run in balanced mode, then absolutely consider the Pono Player. For $399, it strikes me as a steal of a deal. If, on the other hand, you are looking to buy into a complete ecosystem that makes the transition from hardware to software to music download store a seamless and relatively brainless operation, I'd say it's worth growing with Pono as they iron out their issues. Otherwise the only company I know of that has really pulled off this triple-threat treat is Apple but they left out the sound quality piece that Pono delivers.
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raymee_4
02/02/2015 18:55:47
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If you buy an iPhone or iPod are you then required to re-buy all of your music from iTunes? Of course not. If you buy a PonoPlayer are you then required to re-buy all of your music from PonoMusic? Of course not.
David Pogue's question to the participants asking if they would buy a PonoPlayer AND re-buy all of their music is a logical fallacy. He should be mocked for being ignorant enough to tie those two requirements together. Unless he really is that stupid and did re-buy all of his music from iTunes when he bought an iPod or iPhone.
I have a PonoPlayer. I haven't bought any music from PonoMusic and I have no plans to. My music library is primarily CD rips. A lot of them. And that is what I'm staying with as my primary source for music. The PonoPlayer makes the CD rips sound awesome. I happen to like the sound it does. You don't need high-res to enjoy the player. อันนี้จากผู้ใชที่ไม่มีไฟล์ HI-RE เหมือนกัน
If you buy an iPhone or iPod are you then required to re-buy all of your music from iTunes? Of course not. If you buy a PonoPlayer are you then required to re-buy all of your music from PonoMusic? Of course not.
David Pogue's question to the participants asking if they would buy a PonoPlayer AND re-buy all of their music is a logical fallacy. He should be mocked for being ignorant enough to tie those two requirements together. Unless he really is that stupid and did re-buy all of his music from iTunes when he bought an iPod or iPhone.
I have a PonoPlayer. I haven't bought any music from PonoMusic and I have no plans to. My music library is primarily CD rips. A lot of them. And that is what I'm staying with as my primary source for music. The PonoPlayer makes the CD rips sound awesome. I happen to like the sound it does. You don't need high-res to enjoy the player. อันนี้จากผู้ใชที่ไม่มีไฟล์ HI-RE เหมือนกัน